TECHNICAL FORUMS => Project Builds => Topic started by: smichaelR22 on February 11, 2009, 02:41:02 PM
Title: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 11, 2009, 02:41:02 PM
well, i comitted to this crazy little idea of making the CJ5 into a class1 comp rig after picking up two 33\" MTR\'s and three more on the way tonight for a total cost of 140$ mounted.
the plan is to drop a few leafs and make some mods and get it siting on 33\"s for competition this year.
the list:
Mount 33\"s pull add a leafs from all four corners disk break swap on front (have parts) power stearing swap (have parts) LS swap to front axle (steal LS from Mike Wolf) front ujoints extend cage around tub corners / spreader bars wheel spacers? spotter?
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on February 11, 2009, 03:10:22 PM
I\'ll say it out loud here: this is awesome, and I think it will kick butt in class 1. make sure your shocks are long enough for max travel with the softer springs :) it might actually move a bit without the add a leafs.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: CoraC143 on February 11, 2009, 03:14:18 PM
+1 on the flex.
Smike - weld 2 u-bolts (welded together) onto the top of your front axle, use as a suck-down point with your winch.
Who wants to spot?
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 12, 2009, 12:26:31 AM
scored 3 MTR\'s in really really good shape for 100$ tonight, so i got a total of 5, but i really want a 4th to match the really good 3 i got tonight, i didnt expect them to be so good for 100$
dont worry the CJ can flex like it use to:
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: GTJake on February 12, 2009, 09:16:23 AM
ive never seen that thing flex like that. neat.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 12, 2009, 11:33:14 AM
that was when it had stock shackles and skyjacker softride springs. i had so many shackle buckling problems even after moving spring mount locations several times, that i finally just put add leafs in all four corners to stiffen it up a bit. they broke in and are tolerable, but for the comp i think she needs a tummy tuck and some flex put back into her.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on February 12, 2009, 11:38:37 AM
yup.
shackle inversion is an easy problem to solve.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 12, 2009, 11:42:38 AM
at the time it just didnt dawn on me to put longer shackles in, and also i was happy with the ride height before. Right now the jeep has leveled out a little, at first it was a bit tall with another 1\" lift from the 2\" longer shackles.
with 33\"s im thinking drop the add leafs and maybe another leaf and see what happens.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: Ryan_25 on February 12, 2009, 02:12:20 PM
You can use my shop and the lift to make doing springs easier.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 15, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
disk swap complete!
that was a hassel- but its done.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on February 15, 2009, 11:28:56 PM
yay done! now go price lockouts :)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: CoraC143 on February 16, 2009, 08:28:11 AM
Smike - do you have a proportioning valve? What are you going to do now that you have disk, change anything?
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 16, 2009, 09:39:13 AM
yes i do have a proportioning valve, after i service the rear brakes now that i have an extra adjuster cable to replace the rear driver cable thats broke, i should beable to hold rear break adjustment. since i have free lifetime rear shoes, a new set again (3rd set since frame off) should help.
if i have problems, i may ask josh for the proportioning valve thats on the scramblers frame which was set up for drum / disk, if there is a difference of the CJ\'s set up for drum drum.
my current thought it, its not going to need anything.
i do want to add a line lock to have a hydraulic Ebrake though.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on February 16, 2009, 10:21:22 AM
\"not for parking\".... :)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 16, 2009, 11:17:20 AM
i use the tranny for parking, more starting the engine on hills and helping with the lack of a 3rd foot, a line lock would be nice.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on February 16, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
Heel and toe, bro! :)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 16, 2009, 02:52:26 PM
says the auto and 40\"s
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on February 16, 2009, 03:01:06 PM
and the DD 5sp who never rolls back.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: Crusarius on February 16, 2009, 03:29:02 PM
I never have any issues either. :)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 27, 2009, 01:18:46 PM
bent front drive shaft blew both front axle u joints blew short side inner lost passenger window
disk brakes are awesome.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: Crusarius on February 27, 2009, 01:36:49 PM
heh, he can\'t go. but he sure can stop! :)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 27, 2009, 02:57:51 PM
i got locked Rwd and a T18, which is more cabable than quite a few rigs on this board :P
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on February 27, 2009, 03:29:50 PM
and a strap to 40s and an auto ;-)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 28, 2009, 09:16:42 AM
who needs to watch/listen better and not pull over on there side CJ5\'s on top of Ryan
:)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on March 09, 2009, 04:38:27 PM
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smichaelR22 wrote:
im missing a shock on one of the rear corners... they are coming off totally this year for comp anyway.
you do mean being replaced by good shocks, right?
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 10, 2009, 08:56:53 AM
na, who needs shocks
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 16, 2009, 08:48:38 AM
Exploded the D44 this weekend :(
i guess she is getting 4.88\'s
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 20, 2009, 12:35:53 PM
new shocks in ordering 4.88\"s front and rear, with a new D44 carrier and full master install kits. possibly a new rear diff cover and a full poly busing kit for the truck.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 24, 2009, 09:09:33 PM
1 x Hyperflex Master Poly bushing Kit 72-75 CJ 1 x PORC 30/44 Ring & pinion + Full instal kits 1 x Dana 44 3.92/Up Open carrier 2 x 1.50\" 5 ON 5.5 Wheel spacers 1 x 72-81 CJ5 4340 Chromoly Axle Kit w/Spicer Joints
plus some other goodies are in the mail :)
club comp, bring it.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: Ryan_25 on March 25, 2009, 11:35:10 AM
Do you know what joints come in those axles?
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 25, 2009, 12:14:48 PM
the 760x, which i think are the newer bigger ones hopfully
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 29, 2009, 08:15:47 AM
got a power steering pump and mount from J&J yesterday.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 05, 2009, 09:03:10 AM
Dana 44 Pulled apart Friday, looks like gernaded pinion bearings, the gear set actually looks fine, the case a little chewed up.
-Got all new suspention bushings in -front shackel mounts bent back and gusseted, painted -power steering box mounted -4 new shocks in
whats left: gear swaps heims / high steer plumb power box to pump figure out continueing intermittant ground / corrosion issues.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 13, 2009, 11:07:53 PM
-front and rear ends tore apart -rear locker swaped to new case -1.5\"X0.250\" DOM steering with 3/4 heims done
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 14, 2009, 09:51:18 AM
forgot to mention, had a few teeth half missing from the ring gear on mine too, and it wasnt like that when i put the front locker in a year ago...
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: MrMindless on April 14, 2009, 10:04:42 AM
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smichaelR22 wrote: -front and rear ends tore apart
Proper redneck parlance there is, I think, \"front and rear rears done tore down\"
It was progress. The gears in back will take a while with only the rough starting place. Not sure if I\'ll have time to help again this week. I forgot to throw INSTAfab back in my car this morning so I\'m out for tonight....
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 14, 2009, 11:04:11 PM
gear patterns are angry at me :)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 17, 2009, 07:42:35 AM
gears done power steering done electricals chased.
on the trailer straped up and going to Rausch Creek today!
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 19, 2009, 08:18:52 PM
power steering did awesome!
day 2 the carb was really fighting me even though it was great for the comp day.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 22, 2009, 07:13:55 AM
i copied Ryan and had him order me a propane kit as well :)
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 30, 2009, 07:11:38 AM
propane kit in, its awesome. bolt on happiness for the AMC 258. chromoly shafts assembled, need instal tonight. Need longer wheel studs in the front to run the spacers.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on May 03, 2009, 08:42:50 PM
got the new shafts in, and the wheel spacers mounted up, and the final ends on the propane install before the RC trip this week.
it was awesome, so nice, no engine problems crawls beautifly like a new truck. im really happy 100%
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on May 26, 2009, 10:34:47 AM
Last rausch trip blew driver hub (welded up on trail) and then blew the front gear set. New set tomorrow via UPS, have to send old set back to get warranty. hopefully it will be covered, if not owell.
need to insall new air filter on propane, might get it going for the meeting tonight.
Title: Re: CJ5 to Comp Rig for 2009
Post by: smichaelR22 on June 05, 2009, 06:33:25 AM
got the new gear set in, took it to DTORP but didnt really wheel after watching 4 trucks wreck. Havent sent the blown gear set in, CJ is on the trailer ready for the car show at work next week and then Rausch next weekend. Next time it blows, its getting smallblocked, ton\'d and 42\'d.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on June 18, 2009, 09:08:04 AM
so i have decided, i cant live with \"taking it easy\" anymore.
The CJ is getting ton\'d and 42\'d and eventually will end up a pained small block.
ordered the rest of my link bushings and other parts.
the plan is 4 link rear, 3 link front or 4 link front if i can pull it off and will be hung with 2.5\" airshocks, no coils or springs.
it will be as low as possible and alot of it cut off with mostly droop and no uptravel. square driveshafts and full exo. new dash and wiring. no plates or stickers anymore.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: MrMindless on June 18, 2009, 09:27:14 AM
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smichaelR22 wrote:
no plates or stickers anymore.
booooo hisssss
FAIL!
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: Ryan_25 on June 18, 2009, 09:53:16 AM
I like the plan.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on June 18, 2009, 10:05:16 AM
why should i bother paying for insurance or plates any more? its been over a year since its been legally driven on the road. Anywhere i dont need a tow rig to get home, im bored with anyway. when its done, ill start working on my street Toy on 33\"s to replace my 2wd s10.
Ryan, glad you like the idea, and hope you help me :)
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: MrMindless on June 18, 2009, 10:26:42 AM
can\'t drive it down the road to fill up the tank when at Rausch oops, propane.
can\'t drive it from farm to farm at WP oops, bored.
can\'t drive down trail 1 at Tellico oops, closed.
guess I\'m the one that fails here. I still want to drive my pile on the road legally.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on June 25, 2009, 06:50:56 AM
And it begins soon.
120lbs of steel bought Four 16\" travel swayaway 2.5\" Airshocks ordered all suspention bushings for links in hand misc hardware / bungs on the way.
Need some DOM for Front links Need shock hoop tube
Need to move alot around tonight
Still deciding if the small block is going in or not.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 04, 2009, 08:13:06 AM
im tired.
almost done.
air shocks are sick.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: rejeep on July 04, 2009, 08:48:45 AM
Thats awesome!!! nice work....
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: Wingman on July 04, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
Go big or go home...
I like it! Can\'t wait to see it in action!
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 05, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
took her out today works awesome!
needs a front locker!
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: rejeep on July 05, 2009, 05:01:08 PM
do you have any pics of it sitting level?
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 05, 2009, 05:19:24 PM
dont think so. i have some drive shaft issues clearing a link in the front, and i have some fenders and some triming still to do so i was runing it 3-4\" higher than planed. need to tube out the wheel wells to keep the fiberglass from slicing up my TSL\'s too. Keith got a good shot today:
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: Wingman on July 06, 2009, 02:34:40 AM
Time to change the signature and avatar...
So cool!
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: etk300ex on July 06, 2009, 06:11:03 AM
very nice!
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: etk300ex on July 06, 2009, 08:43:03 AM
what did you end up doing for exhaust?
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: MrMindless on July 06, 2009, 09:29:55 AM
I think it\'s open. not too obnoxious from outside. bet it\'s worse onboard.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 06, 2009, 09:36:59 AM
exhaust didnt change since you saw it. it actually wasnt bad except the honda sound when i was on it
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 09, 2009, 06:54:01 AM
welded the front up last night, new lube. Trused and adjusted the clutch linkage. Made a hoop around the ram for some protection.
Bent up front lower links to clear driveshaft, but now i have crossmember clearance issues. truck needs some triming, some exhaust work some tube work too, and brakes rerun in the front if i get to it.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 12, 2009, 02:40:25 PM
blew up the dana 20 this weekend. sad.
time for small block, SM465 NP205 case with 1350 yokes
bah
jeep works awesome though, just needs some tweaking
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: rejeep on July 13, 2009, 03:30:20 AM
i may have a 300 laying around if you wanna keep it Jeep.. if not LMK whats up with the old drivetrain
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 13, 2009, 08:09:55 AM
dana300 is useless to me unless i write big checks to novak and find another 4\" in my driveline somewhere, but thanks.
i have 2 dana20\"s laying in the garage, but i miss my 205. it should have been in there.
the old drivetrain will probably be up for sale and parted. the T18 will definatly go up on ebay since they still go for 700-900$ like i paid.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: rejeep on July 13, 2009, 03:59:20 PM
when you do decide what your going to do keep me in mind... dont list it without applying a little friendly pressure...
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 22, 2009, 03:06:54 AM
got some rock lights mounted up (need wired) and did an electric fan coversion last night.
planing to add oil to shocks and start really tuning the suspension. need to mount center limit straps too.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on September 01, 2009, 09:54:45 AM
just an update:
last few wheeling trips have gone well other than a puking radiator / cooling problem. hopefully a flush and fill, new hoses not kinked and a clean radiator will help that.
Air shocks tuned with more oil, work great now.
double v pullie swaped to power steering mount for york install in the works.
short list for big dogs:
get cooling fixed (new fan controller) get rear disk brakes on add to cage. get york mounted. make a tool box get a radio! mount Nitrogen tank
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on September 13, 2009, 12:02:12 PM
cooling hopefully fixed with mechanical fan and radiator moved. fixed torn cooler and mounted on front. need to plum rear brakes and fix some other stuff.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on November 05, 2009, 05:32:19 AM
cooling issuese fixed, brakes plum, case #3 swapped in. no issues last trip.
Got a new hair cut and some tube added. lost the boat anchor winch.
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: Wingman on November 05, 2009, 06:26:27 AM
Next, you\'ll be losing body panels and going full tube...
Looks good, Mike!
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: CoraC143 on November 05, 2009, 07:00:21 AM
that\'s the plan!
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on November 05, 2009, 08:50:05 AM
next project :)
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 10, 2010, 08:01:01 AM
Poor CJ, i just read through this thread. sometimes i miss it :(
Title: Re: CJ ton 5
Post by: etk300ex on December 12, 2010, 10:07:00 AM
