PUBLIC FORUMS => General Discussion => Topic started by: rejeep on August 11, 2010, 02:51:02 PM
Title: expedition travel
Post by: rejeep on August 11, 2010, 02:51:02 PM
just throwing it out there. I am looking into a few day expedition style trip.. I know NY is a difficult place to even plan such a thing, but Canada and Vermont are right next door.
Anybody have any insight to offer? I know there are several clubs that venture out like this.. It might be a change of pace for most if not all of us.
Spring or fall \'11 is the goal... hate camping in extreme Heat/Cold...
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: MrMindless on August 11, 2010, 02:59:35 PM
I\'ve been wanting to do something Ultimate Adventure style for a while. Self sufficient, wheel - transit - wheel - transit - wheel, no trailers no whining just like they do.
I\'m sure we could pick some good destinations for perhaps a loop around Lake Ontario? That could be a nice run...
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Post by: smichaelR22 on August 11, 2010, 03:46:12 PM
i might be interested if the new rig project plans pan out... but buggy not so good on the street.
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Post by: CoraC143 on August 11, 2010, 04:19:36 PM
sounds like fun!! We\'ll have to make a cool trailer to pack our gear.
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Post by: ollllllo on August 11, 2010, 04:22:53 PM
Sounds like a great idea, Lets do it!
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Post by: MrMindless on August 11, 2010, 04:34:49 PM
international boarder crossings in trail rigs may be interesting. I wonder if Pewe and crew have ever hit a Canadian destination?
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Post by: ollllllo on August 11, 2010, 05:53:04 PM
I remember reading articles in one of the 4 wheel drive magazines years ago detailing an arctic expidetion. The guys had to keep 2 vehicles running at all times so they could use the hot/ warm exhaust to deice the other vehicles. The editor was sleeping in a specically built MJ with an insulated cap and it was open to the cab. Ill never forget the story because it was one of the biggest influences in my love of offroading and quest for adventure.
Is vermont and new hampshire as tough on closing trails and public land access as NY?
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Post by: JCJ on August 11, 2010, 08:01:31 PM
I\'m in for sure.. This is actually my main interest in wheeling..
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Post by: carchameleon on August 11, 2010, 09:00:36 PM
sounds fun and interesting
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Post by: etk300ex on August 12, 2010, 07:11:12 AM
I\'d love to do something like that but I dont think the toyota will ever touch the road again :)
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Post by: ollllllo on August 12, 2010, 07:29:00 AM
We all have tons of work to do for a trip like this. So let\'s get wrenching!
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Post by: jimsh on August 12, 2010, 07:35:18 AM
This sounds really cool, By next year the jeep should be in a state of readiness for something like this. The issue is planning vacation time for me and the wife so we would be able to make it but i am interested.
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2010, 07:35:18 AM
well go figure I would love to do it in the Land rover..
I have somebody looking into Canada for me as we speak.. There is really some vast wilderness there with little access but fire roads and logging trails.. Issue is finding them and planning a trip.
Here is blurb from the trip that sparked this a year ago.. He is the guy who is responsible for me getting a rover.. Its cut and paste bc its in the members only section of the JonFund BB..
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Just thought I would fill alll and sundry in on a little expedition some of us in the Land Rover community are doing over the coming weekend.
There are 12 trucks meeting up in Haliburton Ontario, about 100 miles Northeast of Toronto on Thursday evening for cocktails and dinner, after which on Friday morning we will commence a 4 day expedition along a @ 300 mile \"trail\" strung together from logging trails and a WWII era military road that has not been run end to end for at least 10 years as far as is known. No settlements along the way so it\'s self-sufficiency all the way. Hoping two jerry cans of fuel will be enough!
There is a videographer from Discovery coming along, so there should be some good footage after the trip.
Headed to upstate NY tomorrow night, then the next 7 hours on Friday. Hopefully good pics and vids by next week (if the black flies don\'t consume me whole).
Cheers,
Richard
Sorry for the late reply. Arrived back safe and sound on Tuesday the 5th. Sorry I missed the offer of a round of golf in Rochester! Drove to Syracuse on the way up Wednesday night and made it to Haliburton Ontario mid-day on Thursday to torrential rain. The locals told us that the ice had only melted on the lakes a week before, and things were not looking good.
We hit the trail on Friday with 10 vehicles. Nine Land Rovers: a 101 Forward Control, 2 Discovery Series 1, a Discovery Series 2, a Defender 90, my Series III, a military air portable (aka Lightweight) a long wheelbase Series II, and a Short wheelbase Series II. One Jeep CJ7. The rain continued as we hit the trailhead in Minden Ontario and headed into the bush.
We immediately faced a water crossing that was going to be a challenge for mos of the vehicles. I had water running across the floorboards in the Tonka (almost 3 feet high). For a few of the vehicles, we simply switched them off and winched them across making sure to keep the air intake clear of water and in a few cases, unscrewing the ECUs and putting them up on the dash. Despite our precautions, we subsequently discovered a faulty seal in the D90\'s transmission and that night towed it into camp where we cycled as much of the water and gudge out of the valve body and torque converter as possible, ran 8 quarts of motor oil through it to clean it out, and then filled it up with ATF and Power Steering Fluid. It ran flawlessly the res of the trip with \"remarkably firm shifts\" according to the owner. It\'s toast after running 10W40 through it, but it worked well throughout the trip.
A second obstacle produced extensive head scratching and a smattering of stuck vehicles. We had to cross a beaver pond with two inlets, an island in between, lots of deep water and VERY soft silty mud. I thought I had the right line and by taking a tricky ledge over the island, minimized the crossing on the other side of the island to about a 6 foot crossing of what seemed after much prodding to be a reasonably solid bottom. Grinning ear to ear as I looked back at the 101 on 38\" tires burried to it\'s door bottoms, I launched into the stream and promptly bellied out. Again, with water running in the driver\'s side door and out the other side, and some fairly complicated winching, I got through and after a few more challengeswent on ahead to set up camp while they got the other vehicles through. With a substantial amount of firewood collected, the tarp set up, and a glass of rather nice Olorosso sherry in hand, I saw two vehicles come in under tow. The D90 whose tranmission issues have already been addressed, and the lightweight sporting a GM 2.8 V6 conversion. The latter had apparently suffered from substantial over-revving (think 8000 rpm ) and as a result was at serious risk of punching a con-rod through the block. We would pend considerable time the following day trying to get it out to a point where reaching a navigable road was possible.
It rained briefly during the night, and in the morning dropped a few snowflakes on us. That however was the end of precipitation (if not cold) for the trip. Recognizing that this thread is useless without pictures, I will holf off until they become avilable. We had a professional vedeographer along for the trip and he is apparently working up the edit as we speak, so I will post again when that is ready. There should be some nice shots of us winching up a sheer rockface on Day 4 that will raise the hairs on you neck!
BTW, although the \"trail\" is allegedly some 300 km (not miles, Canada) long, our 4 day expedition, which was well led, well organized, and made up of very experienced participants, covered about 50km! When the pictures and video are avilable, you will see why...
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: MrMindless on August 12, 2010, 08:10:22 AM
Not the first time I\'ve heard of the abandoned Canadian wartime routes - nor of the severe, exciting. tantalizing disrepair into which they\'ve fallen :)
First time I\'ve been reminded of that in a few years though. That sounds.... if not perfect, at least pretty close.
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 12, 2010, 08:20:57 AM
i am boycotting canada due to border laws, i refuse to get a passport or pay for an enhanced liscence.
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: rejeep on August 12, 2010, 08:48:57 AM
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smichaelR22 wrote: i am boycotting canada due to border laws, i refuse to get a passport or pay for an enhanced liscence.
well thats a seperate topic... and an interesting one at that...
perhaps we should ... I have some choice words about it also..
(I have a passport, and use it often)
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Post by: CoraC143 on August 12, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
GREAT STORY!
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Post by: MrMindless on August 12, 2010, 12:04:20 PM
I have a passport, and think everyone should.... Though I never use it...
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Post by: CoraC143 on August 12, 2010, 12:22:09 PM
I want to use my passport more. Scuba!!
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 12, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
i dont get one due to work related reasons. i have been going to canada my entire life for family vacations- i think its sick that all of the sudden the DMV can ask 120$ or whatever so i can continue this.
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: MrMindless on August 12, 2010, 03:51:55 PM
it\'s not the NY DMV Mike, it\'s the US DHS.
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 12, 2010, 04:18:20 PM
is there really a difference?
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Post by: MrMindless on August 12, 2010, 04:28:50 PM
large.
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Post by: ollllllo on August 13, 2010, 11:54:43 AM
120 bucks too help protect our borders better. Ill gladly pay double. I have had a passport for 5 years or so now and I\'m itching to get some stamps. :)
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: gadgetjon on August 26, 2010, 10:10:15 AM
I drove the moose river trail through the adirondacks a few years ago. We had to rush to get through it in a day, so a 2 or 3 day trip would be perfect. There are lots of places to camp. We did some light wheeling, it may not be hard core enough for the bigger trucks. It was very sandy and you may be able to find some other wheeling areas nearby.
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: rejeep on August 26, 2010, 10:24:12 AM
any more info on that?
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: gadgetjon on August 30, 2010, 07:07:50 AM
here\'s a description of moose river from wildernet.com
moose river description (http://activities.wildernet.com/pages/activity.cfm?actid=NYCOHCIO*54540fa&CU_ID=1)
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: bear555 on August 30, 2010, 11:13:29 AM
Time to upgrade the tent? http://www.arbusa.com/Products/Touring-And-Camping-Gear/Rooftop-Tents/43.aspx
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: bear555 on August 30, 2010, 11:14:56 AM
Never mind I just looked at the price :shock: http://www.quadratec.com/products/92026_100.htm
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Post by: smichaelR22 on August 30, 2010, 12:36:03 PM
thats a 1/3 of what i paid for my trailer... lol
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Post by: Camo1Ton on August 30, 2010, 02:54:18 PM
WOW thats pricey for a tent
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Post by: ollllllo on September 19, 2010, 09:48:12 AM
eagle lake trains, Maine (http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Trains2000.html)
I found this in the latest issue of JP magazine. seems more exciting in the winter though.
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: ollllllo on September 19, 2010, 09:58:50 AM
KILLER LAKE TRAIL (http://www.4x4now.com/trcnkl.htm)
maybe a stop on the trek if its still open to wheel?
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: ollllllo on September 19, 2010, 09:59:51 AM
i cant seem to find any recent activity in regards to this event, but trails might still be there.
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Post by: CoraC143 on September 20, 2010, 09:25:55 AM
The article on Wheelfest, Ontario Adventures link, was from 2000. I wonder if any of these trails are still in use.
I know Xterra Katie know a lot of Canadian Xterra people. I\'ll ask here if we can get some contact info.
Title: Re: expedition travel
Post by: ollllllo on September 20, 2010, 05:20:57 PM
I emailed a southern ontario 4wd club, and got an immediate response sunday morning.
He said they too were looking to organize a similar style road trip, and when I asked if they would be interested in hosting us for a day or so, he was excited. He mentioned although there arent any public parks in the area, there are lots of trails and private land to wheel. Lets keep our fingers crossed, and maybe a loop around Lake Ontario might be a go.
Anyone else have any ideas to add to the preliminary list of ideas?
