PUBLIC FORUMS => General Discussion => Topic started by: itjustmeD on March 21, 2010, 02:06:46 PM
Title: Acetone?
Post by: itjustmeD on March 21, 2010, 02:06:46 PM
Has any body had any experience with adding a little acetone in with the gas to increase your mileage?
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: rejeep on March 21, 2010, 02:24:39 PM
snake oil unless in lab conditions.. aside from the fact it will eat your rubber lines, auto paint if spilled, and possibly harm gaskets..
risk/reward not worth it IMO...
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: MrMindless on March 22, 2010, 07:38:04 AM
I\'ve got some magnets you can stick on your fuel lines too. I\'d let them go for say, $50. sound like a deal?
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Post by: etk300ex on March 22, 2010, 08:40:04 AM
dont forget the tornado!
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: itjustmeD on March 22, 2010, 11:15:37 AM
Ooo Dam. How can there be so much good stuff about it on the net then? I know there are people that BS - but to have so many different people build hole web sights praising the stuff?? Can it really be that bad?
I know it eats paint, but doesn\'t gas do the same?
?Tornado?
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: CoraC143 on March 22, 2010, 11:46:57 AM
its a fuel saving device, and most likely a scam.
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2010, 12:19:39 PM
you can find good stuff on ANYTHING on the net..
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: itjustmeD on March 22, 2010, 01:11:36 PM
Very true you can find good, bad, or what ever about most any subject on the net. Though I gotta say I would love to get a beater that I could try this out on for myself. If what all they say about using this stuff were true. Can you imagine getting a mid size cars gas mileage while driving a burban? Or like my driving a \'95 Town car & getting 25-30 miles to the gallon?
I\'d say - Road trip!!! lol
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: MrMindless on March 22, 2010, 02:26:48 PM
If it worked, reliably, without side effects, anywhere near that well, and that easily, EVERYONE would be doing it, and it would not be on the same level of legitimacy as Sasquatch and the Loch Ness Monster.
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: Wingman on March 22, 2010, 02:35:36 PM
May not make $$$ and \'sense\'. The cost to add enough acetone to the fuel to make it work might negate any fuel cost/mileage savings...
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: rejeep on March 22, 2010, 03:32:36 PM
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Can you imagine getting a mid size cars gas mileage while driving a burban? Or like my driving a \'95 Town car & getting 25-30 miles to the gallon?
no I cant because thats not what they are built for.
SOAP BOX time...
and take no offense please... but these MPG threads always have the same undertone.. Take what I have and make it something different.. We spends hundreds, thousands of dollars making off road rigs, by nature lifts, aggressive tires, low gearing, they will never get HIGH MPG numbers.. notice that I didnt say \"good\" MPG... because thats all relative..
My YJ with a built engine, 35\" muds, low gears, and aerodynamics of a brick gets >10mpg My SRT w/425 horse and fat tires gets >12MPG My wives Rover towing said jeep on a 18ft trailer gets 11MPG I consider those numbers good.
A ton car cant do anything mentioned above.
Drive what you like, enjoy what you drive... and hopefully be able to afford it.. If there was a way to eek out more MPG Im sure the car/engine designers would have done it... Millions of dollars of R&D cant be wrong... And I understand some people\'s rigs are their DD.. KUDOS.. we have all been there.. but know your limitations.
If not there are some Toyotas out there people are getting rid of cheap. :)
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: ollllllo on March 22, 2010, 04:03:37 PM
AMEN!
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: ollllllo on March 22, 2010, 04:12:02 PM
Google...\"homemade HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS\"
They work I have seen it!
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: itjustmeD on March 22, 2010, 10:19:28 PM
O\' certainly I very seldom take offense to most any discussion. But, please allow me to hope on my soap box for a moment; while keeping in mind, I intend no offense to you either with anything that I say.
I believe that we, as humans try to improve things no matter what it maybe. It\'s in our nature; improved things in most any way that we can conceive & have the will to put those ideas to action.
I also believe (& this is the conspiracy nut in me coming out). All the millions if not trillions in R&D into engine designs & better, stronger, more efficient, more reliable vehicles. There would have been factory mass produced electric & other alternative fuel vehicles out on the road years ago. In fact there were back about \'01-\'02 but big $$ killed them. \'Who killed the electric car\' great documentary! Scarily informative. The automotive industry has been in bed with the \'black gold barons\' for decades. Cars run on gas, we pay for the gas for our cars, the oil companies make trillions off of our dependency on our needing to fuel our cars. The auto industry -> the oil companies don\'t want us to use less gas they want us to use more & more & more. So respectfully, I completely disagree with your comment of \"car/engine designers would have done it\" Though I do agree with \"Millions of dollars of R&D cant be wrong\" Incomplete perhaps, but not wrong. Record breaking oil profits, sky rocketing oil prices, while we all loose our jobs & homes - that I believe is truly wrong.
I think that you would agree, most of our society is driven not by what is right & best, but it is more over driven by what will bring in more money.
Now when we make vehicles that are inefficient then yes that is what they are. When I had my suburban she was a beast of a DD that road on a set of 35\" BFG AT\'s if I\'m lucky she might have gotten me 8-10 MPG & honestly, even that might have been a stretch. & I drive her as often as I wanted with a big old smile on my face every time I sat behind that wheel. But is it really that far of a cry to think a 10MPG truck could eek out 12 or 13 MPG, perhaps even 15.
Wow, It is late (after 3am) & I\'m running off at the keyboard. So I\'ll get off my soap box now. Hope I didn\'t offend anybody.
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: itjustmeD on March 22, 2010, 10:23:51 PM
O thanks for the suggestion to Google...\"homemade HYDROGEN FUEL CELLS\"
I\'ll look into those tomorrow. Where was it that you have seen them work?
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: ollllllo on March 23, 2010, 03:28:00 AM
I have 2 Very close friends from high school that made some and installed them on their daily drivers.
they reported much improved throttle response and 8+mpg improvement.
They made them with nothing more than items purchased locally at any hardware store.
like anything else, they seem to have gotten bored with the experiments, so im not sure as to their full potential. but they were cool to see working.
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: rejeep on March 23, 2010, 04:30:29 AM
This is leading into two different threads… hydrogen fuel cell and what’s wrong with America.. I think we should split it so we can continue both.. (or kill one) But first two comments on both..
Great video on the topic of fuel miser… Even has a jeep as its lead character.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvZA-82QEOU
Now for the conversation that should never happen on internet forums or in bars….
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itjustmeD wrote: There would have been factory mass produced electric & other alternative fuel vehicles out on the road years ago
First issue with this is not the technology but the infrastructure of our great country. Imagine if tomorrow president whoever decides that every American has to drive electric cars and we all get tax incentives/rebates to buy them.. ok great.. you head to work, talk about your new cars all day with your co workers and on the drive home run out of juice.. where do you fill up?? You can’t because the infrastructure of America is oil based. No fault of anybody except our American ancestors who built this great country out of the great depression. They tried this in California, failed for lack of infrastructure.. (I bought one of the old charging station signs on eBay)
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itjustmeD wrote: \'Who killed the electric car\' great documentary!
Ok Michael Moore.. same people who think were in bed with Osama and yada yada yada.. I’m not arguing whether there is truth to this or not, but think of it this way.. America spends over $25 billion a year in the Persian gulf alone, and were not buying Falafel.. Every American despite political views or anything would rather see that money HERE!!!! If you say it’s because of President Bush or the republicans.. well look at how much we spent under Clinton and still to this day.
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itjustmeD wrote: The automotive industry has been in bed with the \'black gold barons\' for decades. Cars run on gas, we pay for the gas for our cars, the oil companies make trillions off of our dependency on our needing to fuel our cars. The auto industry -> the oil companies don\'t want us to use less gas they want us to use more & more & more
Again whether this is true or not the fact is American car companies are in the game to make money, just like everybody else. If cars one day run on cupcakes they will make a car that runs on cupcakes to make MONEY!!! Ever see father of the bride, where Steve Martin freaks out because there are 8 hot dogs in a package and 12 buns in a package.. blames the CEO of each company to screw the American consumer…?!?!? Common seriously?? There is no dispute that the internal combustion engine is THE MOST EFFICENT way to power a motor car. Car companies have proven they can make cars that are small and fuel efficient.. AMERICANS as a whole DON’T WANT THEM.. we want our SUV’s and TRUCKS.. go to Europe, I was just there.. all they drive around in is small 4cyl turbo diesels that get 50MPG.. and guess who makes them FORD AND GM!!!!
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itjustmeD wrote: Record breaking oil profits, sky rocketing oil prices, while we all lose our jobs & homes - that I believe is truly wrong.
Last time I checked we live in a capitalistic society. I know for sure I’m not in business to break even. I want to make as much money as possible. Say what you want about the social ramifications, or our leaders inability to lead, but don’t shame companies for working to make a profit. And when they make too much yelling at them for cashing in.. We might be heading into a socialist regime, but we aren’t there yet. People are losing homes and jobs for other reasons than gas is too high.. and again that’s another topic..
Disclaimer: This is my opinion and my opinion alone.. I respect differences of opinion as long as they are followed by facts.
MODS: I would suggest that we lock this topic and move onto being constructive.. issues like this always end up bad.
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: itjustmeD on March 26, 2010, 03:15:51 PM
I agree lets kill the one subject & continue on with the hydrogen fuel cell discussion. There again I agree; the other type subject typically tends to lead into bad stuff. So lets drop that :) Though, one last thing that I would like to say about the other subject: honestly, you made some very good points, & gave me some stuff to think about. Thank you.
The friends that made the fuel cell, do they have any info online as to how they made theirs? I\'ve been researching online as to how to make them & have found sooooo many different variations that it\'s nuts. I even found a (I think) local guy that modded his XJ with HHO. He goes by dstaub on great lakes XJ forum.
One of the things that I\'m not sure on is where to have the HHO feed into the engine. The one guy taped up his, what looks like a K&N, cone & seriously restricted his XJ\'s air intake; while another guy was talking about using HHO injectors. Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Acetone?
Post by: Joe on March 29, 2010, 05:37:01 PM
The problem with the HHO setups is that there\'s no such thing as free energy. You end up using so much electricity for the electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen that you can actually lower your mileage from your alternator bogging down. I used to get asked about this stuff all the time when people heard I worked on hydrogen fuel cells.
Some people do see increases in mileage from something like this, but it\'s usually only on older vehicles. The reason being that the hydrogen significantly raises combustion temperatures and cleans the carbon buildup out of the combustion chambers. If they stopped running the HHO setup, the increased mileage would still be there.
If you have a vehicle that is subject to a tailpipe emissions inspection, an HHO system could make it fail because the higher combustion temps increase NOx emissions.
Off topic...
On the subject of \"who killed the electric car\"... Michael Moore is a waste of oxygen. The GM EV1 program was a research project with a finite lifespan. The vehicles were actually run much longer than they were designed for because of the public outcry. They were built in short production runs from 1995 to 1998. The last 75 of them were driven here in Rochester, based at the GM fuel cell center in Honeoye Falls, until 2006 when there just weren\'t enough spare parts left to keep them going. The knowledge gained from the project has helped immensely with the Chevy Volt and GM Fuel Cell programs. All but 4 of the vehicles were destroyed because of one group of people... lawyers. The 4 kept intact (minus batteries and traction motors) are in the Smithsonian, the Ford museum, GM\'s private collection, and one university was given one to use as a test bed for electric drive trains and I think that was on a temporary basis.
And car companies are driven by car sales. If a company came out with a car that got 100 mpg tomorrow, you bet they would sell the hell out of that thing. They are not in bed with the oil companies. Fuel mileage has dropped over the last 15 years because of federal emissions regulations and crash protection requirements (cars are heavier). My \'94 saturn gets 45mpg. A Chevy Aveo gets 35 mpg.
