TECHNICAL FORUMS => Project Builds => Topic started by: smichaelR22 on November 22, 2009, 06:43:09 AM
Title: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on November 22, 2009, 06:43:09 AM
waiting for my chassis to be delivered. Decided on a prefab over buying a bender, notcher, and materials, the difference of the deal wasn\'t worth my time.
Plans:
tons 42\" (new poly H1 bead locks) SBC355/TH350/NP205 Propane 16\" SAW air shocks full hydro 4 links front and rear. corbea ss seats / RJS 5 points HDPE belly. ARB rear / rear cutting brakes (later) under 3200lbs.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Wingman on November 22, 2009, 01:58:32 PM
Is the chassis fabbed locally?
Going to return the CJ5 to street?
Is 3200 lbs even doable with tons, etc?
Very cool!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on November 22, 2009, 04:50:39 PM
its made by a company in CA, Twizted Fabrication. it was old stock that was an ebay auction.
its being freighted here.
75% of the CJ will end up in this buggy, so it will be retired/parted out.
the chassis weighs 390lbs so yes i think its doable.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on November 23, 2009, 08:44:36 AM
what you gonna wheel while you are building? or is this gonna be another week vacation project.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on November 23, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
planing to wheel the CJ last time at the rock run trip Dec13.
i have 7 or 8 days of in december, so ya it will be a roller by the end of the year :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on November 23, 2009, 03:15:38 PM
its gonna be sad to see the 5 go away!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 07, 2009, 01:02:18 PM
its coming wednesday :)
th350 mated to small block, started working on the little thingS
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on December 07, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
you better pick it up quickly, it would be sad if if fell off the loading dock and into a superduty. i mean a truck of any kind. who would do such a thing? BTW the fastenal guys like pizza
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 07, 2009, 05:35:10 PM
good call on the pizza. ok :)
ill have to call billy. he mentioned something about being in flordia possibly.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 15, 2009, 04:55:56 AM
im getting very frustrated with freight company. still waiting on my chassis.
grrrrr...
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 18, 2009, 06:54:47 PM
chassis is here. i like it :)
moving it into the shop tomorrow
:hack:
:fire:
:weld:
:grind:
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Ryan_25 on December 18, 2009, 07:16:35 PM
The chassis looks great. Every bend and weld is perfect. Beautiful Chassis
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 19, 2009, 07:25:47 PM
got the chassis in the shop
motor mounted tonight after some eyeballing and placement of crucial parts. i think its going to work out nicely with the TH350 / divorced NP205.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 28, 2009, 01:32:52 PM
thanks to some help from eric last week, we dragged in some axles and i have started with the rear links. looks like im using some of the CJ links and going to go DOM round all the way.
motor, trans, case, rear lower link mounts done so far.
Also, thanks for the hardware bin, from bill at Fastenal
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 28, 2009, 07:15:49 PM
rear axle linked and air shocked. looks good.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on December 29, 2009, 04:51:33 AM
I like your upper mounts a lot. I think your lowers are going to want to Twizt the tube, they seem awful long. Might just be the pictures.
are you going to stay with that little shaft showing at ride height? I figured you\'d leave a bit more compression in there to keep it even lower. Looks like the tabs are already there for the shocks though so I guess RUN IT :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Ryan_25 on December 29, 2009, 05:17:02 AM
Get the tires on it. It is going to look awesome with the 42\"s on it.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 29, 2009, 05:31:24 AM
the shock mounts im leaving tacked and plan to fully weld after tires are on both axles and im happy with ride height. (also plan to weld them with the chassis upsidown) i may end up moving the shock tabs on the axles, because the angles arent quiet where id really like them, but usable.
its decieving from the pic, the lower links actually point down toward the chassis. its pretty low as it is now.
with 42\"s on it, it shouldnt be much taller than 6\'4\" if my measurments are correct.
about the lower link mounts. ya, i thought about that. best i could compromise for trying to use existing links. i think it will be ok. if not, once the case mount is fully welded in, i plan to run tube from the dash down to it, and could do the same in the rear, to the flats of the lower mounts. also, i have to make a structure to hold the HDPE i plan on putting under it, so that could be used to give the tube a little help where its needed.
need some more DOM from SMC.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 29, 2009, 05:32:05 AM
im thinking i have alot more fab work before i want four 42\" tires to trip over :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on December 29, 2009, 07:03:26 AM
I\'m not talking taller, I\'m talking less sit-in. more shaft showing but same height.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 29, 2009, 07:14:47 AM
o gotcha, its at 5\" up travel, which is more than the CJ had and most buggys i see do.
the beauty of air shocks, i can make it what i want with changing tabs.
i got half done, and almost forgot to start to pay attention to propane tank mounting options. still good though.
going to run them in a \"V\" with a tool bag /cooler grate in the center.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: CoraC143 on December 29, 2009, 07:33:16 AM
Holy Bolt Bin!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 29, 2009, 08:59:41 AM
ya, im in love.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 30, 2009, 06:52:25 PM
got the front axle uppers done and welded in. waiting on some DOM i ordered tomorrow and a PSC order with a new steering column.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Wingman on December 31, 2009, 04:03:51 AM
Upper links look farther apart than before. Will it be enough triangulation or will you be running a panhard too?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 31, 2009, 05:52:58 AM
triangulation is defiantly a concern on the front. Im trying to get the most as possibly, but i just only have so much room to keep my ride hight and up travel where i want it. the lowers should have a lot more, hopefully if i can find room for a driveshaft too.
thinking im going to go rear CV shaft and retube the expensive bits i have from the scrambler shafts i had fleetpride make me and go back to round shafts.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 01, 2010, 03:04:55 PM
Mindless:
\"Can\'t run a panhard and a 4 link. geometry can\'t work. you could run a watts link.... but I don\'t think you could get the needed travel out of it.
that axle is way forward. wow.
looking great.\"
smike:
Mike i managed to delete your post and cut and paste it to repost my post!
well here are updates:
got all 4 tires on and its looking good. down to two jack stands.
started working on dash tubes and got seats mounted more how i liked.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Wingman on January 01, 2010, 03:57:21 PM
Looks like your wheel base is going to be longer than the CJ?
Looking good, smike!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: gCracker on January 01, 2010, 06:57:28 PM
I can\'t believe that fits in your \"shop\"
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: luvmyxj on January 01, 2010, 07:38:37 PM
looks like youll have to go more than 5\" of uptraval,looks like sitting pretty low at full bump
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 01, 2010, 10:05:26 PM
the scrambler was 104\", the CJ was 108\" this thing is about 120\" so ya its a little longer.
I like where its sitting now, but i might move the rear shock mounts up. i have about 6\" more stuff before i have any clearance issues in the rear. the front is tight and still needs lowers around a driveshaft.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 02, 2010, 03:57:11 AM
looking good. im running 4\"up travel and bump stops, and haven\'t had any issues. low and stable is great. i built mine @ 110\"WB and i love it. so much better than stock CJ WB with all that clearance you have w the tube chassis, 120 WB will be killer. better get selectable locker for rock runs tight trails.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 02, 2010, 05:45:12 AM
im thinking im going to put the open diff gears back in the rear axle and put cutting brakes in till i can afford an ARB, or save it for 9\" builds.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 02, 2010, 04:34:42 PM
other than the obvious, is the cutting brake able to help wit the open diff? in other words, if you grab left brake to stop a spinning wheel, will it transfer power to the other wheel? aiding in forward movement? seems like alot of work. weld it and twin stix if you can with that case
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Wingman on January 02, 2010, 04:43:22 PM
Cutting brake should work like that. Same thing on big tractors. And you definitely can twin-stick a NP205! Do both.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on January 03, 2010, 03:36:21 PM
a cutting brake with an open rear will absolutely pivot you on the stopped rear tire - the other tire will drive at 2x the speed along with the front pulling you around. it almost makes twin sticking pointless.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 03, 2010, 06:01:06 PM
what i meant was, if you have an open rear diff and the drivers tire loses traction and spins, cant you pull on drivers cutting brake and transfer to pass side to aid in forward movement.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on January 03, 2010, 06:31:29 PM
yup absolultely.
question is whether you get tired of doing that..... and it might not work so well on a big fast climb (I\'m thinking of Trail 5 and Tombstone type stuff)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 05, 2010, 03:46:52 AM
yup, my point exactly. i seem to recall memories in my head of smike getting angry at his open diffs on the scrambler couple years back. then welding them solid. put a detroit in the rear (cheapest 14bolt locker i found) or keep it welded for now
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 10, 2010, 08:58:33 PM
got a dash in, rear suck down winch mounted, and got the grunt work of the exhaust cross over / Y pipe fabricated. not a whole lot of room for exhaust!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 11, 2010, 04:36:31 AM
Pipe and dash look
[color=009900]AWESOME!!![/color]
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 12, 2010, 07:29:49 PM
Finished exhaust 100% and started working on some floorpans tonight.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 12, 2010, 09:02:00 PM
Lookin good bro! Are you thinking about going with a roof?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 13, 2010, 12:45:53 PM
i have to have a solid 1/8\" roof of aluminum or expanded steel per tech rules, so yes.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 18, 2010, 09:03:35 PM
ordered an aluminum radiator, a new trans deep pan, and a few other things. Got my front flange adapted to my CV, waiting on a call tomorrow for some steel and aluminum sheet.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 19, 2010, 03:06:08 PM
you get cable shifter? i found mine on ebay for less than half what other shops were selling it for. brand new, and i got a free t-shirt. Atlanta custom hod rods maybe?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 19, 2010, 06:52:05 PM
ill probably just make one with a simple lever linkage that matches my case sticks.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 25, 2010, 05:27:17 AM
after a few night of scratching my head, i did a lot of the floor pan last night
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: jeepfd16 on January 25, 2010, 04:55:09 PM
Looking Nice!!!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 26, 2010, 06:57:36 PM
radiator, Efan, trans cooler mounted
propane tanks mounted.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 26, 2010, 07:05:15 PM
no go on the rear rad?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 26, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
en, decided it was too much work, i really didnt have the room either with the tanks.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 27, 2010, 05:37:52 AM
scraping and scrounging to get a set of 42xR16.5 sticky IROKs to run this year :) :) :) :) :)
i even sent a PM on Pirate :o
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Ryan_25 on January 27, 2010, 06:28:10 AM
Wow, you must REALLY want Iroks If you are sending messages on Pirate.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 27, 2010, 08:20:01 AM
i know, i feel so dirty.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 30, 2010, 08:35:02 PM
center dash started, case shifters started.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: dgray69 on January 31, 2010, 01:46:16 AM
your build is looking really good, way more progress than mine, pulled expedition into shop for a simple or I thought 3 inch body lift, pulled front bumper to expose a very rotted out radiator support, and two very bady rotted front body mounts, needless to say ended uo with 1000$ in tools, and trucks been in garage for a week now,welding and mods are not my fortae. and still have one broken rusted bolt on driver front mount that i can not get out, need to get some oxygen for the torch and see if im good enough to cut it out with out burning the truck up, hopefully monday or tuesday it will be done,those are my only 2 days off from work, thinking i may have to call in some help to rebuild the front end this summer or put in a new front clip, just to cold right now to do it, and i need my truck back
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: showoff on January 31, 2010, 12:55:44 PM
Projects moving along. Next you can build me one. lol.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on January 31, 2010, 01:07:59 PM
Sheet metal work looking sweet mike. Shifters too! I gotta stop by and scope out all the new stuff. Missed you this weekend! Kinda weird you not having a wheeler!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 31, 2010, 03:31:11 PM
i know its killing me!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on January 31, 2010, 07:41:46 PM
radiator hoses fit, new cap, trans levers made, center dash work started.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: dgray69 on February 01, 2010, 05:34:04 PM
Mike want to do the front end mods on expy? would like to go solid axle, and need to get front bumper on with base behind it so when i win the lotto, i can get that monster winch, ill need it to tug the expy out on the mud
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 01, 2010, 07:18:23 PM
ha! be happy to take a look at it and help you out with some ideas, but i dont have the time or the room to work on a fool size :)
got the center dash and some panels over the case bolted in. Put the driver seat in and it feels great where my shifters are going to be.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on February 01, 2010, 07:46:34 PM
Cool 8-)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 01, 2010, 07:51:09 PM
need some bolts from billy, can he get HDPE too?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 02, 2010, 07:36:52 PM
sticks hooked up
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: etk300ex on February 03, 2010, 04:15:37 AM
looks good
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: CoraC143 on February 03, 2010, 07:17:18 AM
looks awesome!!!! very nice dash & console!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 03, 2010, 07:54:13 PM
shifter nobs made, and holes through floor lined up and assembled. looks good. feels good.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on February 08, 2010, 01:56:42 PM
hey mike how much hdpe do you need? sizes and thickness? or would ppe aka polypropylene work i have some 3/4\" that i\'m doing nothing with and maybe some 1/2\" dont remember... also the guy who i\'m looking for the combine axles for sell hdpe and both of him and myself weld it...
ps buggy looks :censor: great!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 08, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
i need like a 28\"x32\" ish piece 1/2\" would be great. not sure ill have to look up what PPE is
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on February 08, 2010, 04:07:33 PM
man you are in luck well kind of... the biggest piece of 1/2 ppe i have is 27 1/4\"x 33 1/2\"...
the difference between ppe and hdpe are:
1. hdpe is cheaper(or so it was but not any more i have just learned)
2. ppe has a better heat rating but only like 40 degrees
3. ppe is non- porous(no good to r.t.v.)
4. hdpe is porous
chemistry resistance is equal between the both of them.
really the heat rating is why ppe costs more cause it\'s main usage is for tank building for metal plating lines(what i do for work).
or if you want hdpe i could look into a local price for ya(save ya on shipping)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 09, 2010, 01:30:00 PM
i think that might work, subframe rails i think are 26.5\" apart after more carful measuring.
whats the price on something like that?
McMaster, i was spending about 80$
just looking for something to help slide over rocks and stuff on the belly. i have never done something like this before so if the price is right, ill give it a shot.
thanks!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on February 09, 2010, 02:15:13 PM
ok so as i looked at your frame, those rails are the closest points to mount to, if this was my rig especially since it\'s nice i\'d make a little sub frame for down there. cause one of three things will most likely happen, first is if you get high sided, it will either break the sheet of poly, flex it enough to bend the mounting hardware or rip the hard ware through the edges of the plastic. just my 2 cents.
but any ways who\'s driving? to get or deliver? and do you still have that aussie? if so what do you want for it cash + poly? or make me an offer delivered or picked up.
dj
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 09, 2010, 03:32:43 PM
ya, it will have a sub frame, i wasn\'t planing on building that part until the rest is finished, its taken apart, and i can flip the chassis upside down, easier to work on, and i have been leaving the upside down welding to do anyway.
I sold the axles as a set, so locker is gone. i could meet you in buffalo sometime, or have someone pick it up for me.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 12, 2010, 08:06:21 PM
all 3 hood pannels rough cut 2 front fire wall panels fit gages mounted in dash shop cleaned!
productive night!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 13, 2010, 05:46:22 AM
Thanks for the PPE djberg! looks good cant wait to finish the buggy, take it apart and start working on the underside (flipped over chassis)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on February 14, 2010, 08:51:11 AM
I personally cant wait to see pics of that!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on February 15, 2010, 01:59:07 PM
yeah i want two camreas running the intire time recording didasembaly and reasemblay, then played back in fast forward!!!!!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 15, 2010, 07:52:19 PM
no shop cam, im not as cool as Ryan.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 17, 2010, 07:50:22 PM
tonights progress:
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: dgray69 on February 21, 2010, 05:15:58 PM
Buggys looking awsome mike, sorry i couldnt wheel with yas sunday, im bumming
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Ryan_25 on February 21, 2010, 06:20:14 PM
Thats Ok Smike,nobody has the coolness that I emit. :-)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 22, 2010, 08:18:41 AM
ya, must be the age handycap :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 22, 2010, 07:25:17 PM
hoping to fire the motor and test trans wednesday night if UPS man brings me a box.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on February 22, 2010, 07:36:46 PM
what might be in said box?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 22, 2010, 07:37:39 PM
impco 425 mixer
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: dgray69 on March 12, 2010, 06:11:12 AM
mike, havent heard any more from you on the build. hows it going, im patiantly waiting to see new pics, i was talking to a guy i use to wheel with in ohio, hes selling his chassy this year and got a new buggy, only thing he is takeing out is the motor, easy enough to replace hes running a 22r toy motor, showed wife the pics of it i may be the new owner.it will be easier to trailer around than a full size truck, and the expy wont hate me for it either. be nice if he got his replacement soon, dont see how ill be able to wheel it this year, but def next. cant wait
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 12, 2010, 07:35:59 AM
been very busy with the buggy. it should drive out tomorrow
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on March 12, 2010, 10:00:00 AM
Hopefully your lawn doesn\'t get too much worse with all the rain this next few days. That thing have a bilge pump?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 12, 2010, 10:50:35 AM
if the trans works, ill go wheeling sunday.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 14, 2010, 03:19:53 PM
drove the buggy around the yard today. Transmission has no (or very little) reverse. that is sad. i guess trans shopping next week.
otherwise its awesome. cooling, stearing, stopping, and not leaking.
fits in the new trailer good!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on March 14, 2010, 04:17:32 PM
:nopics:
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 14, 2010, 05:25:16 PM
no pics. was trying to beat the sun going down and still have some driving time.
looking into getting the trans rebuilt or getting a new one from summit
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on March 14, 2010, 05:35:23 PM
Did I understand you correctly in our text message? U need to pull motor and trans to replace trans. so what happens if you fry a trans @ an event?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 14, 2010, 05:48:48 PM
that would be a day ender.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on March 14, 2010, 06:24:36 PM
:shock:damn, no good i\'ve been waiting for updates... bummer on the tranny, maybe you should have cut of the lower portion of the frame to get it through the door, instead of the top. then used quick connects (ford cab style) thus just, meh mental design(my own) fail. good luck getting the tranny fixed/replaced lol...
ps how bout some pics of that fancy trailer?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 15, 2010, 10:40:23 AM
a few clicks and a new trans with some other goodies is on its way from summit.
made some calls around for local rebuild, and the numbers just werent working out- so pulled the trigger and a little better built trans rated for 450Hp.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 15, 2010, 06:39:53 PM
got some pics today. had to roll out the buggy to do some work on the trailer and block the tires.
shaft pulled to go to fleetpride and make a little shorter.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on March 15, 2010, 07:10:48 PM
She looks MEAN!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on March 15, 2010, 07:23:27 PM
sick how\'s the beast pull?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 15, 2010, 07:26:51 PM
we will see Thursday night. new trans should be here this weekend or monday hopefully. I should be fine with forward or a little tug from Atom :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Wingman on March 16, 2010, 03:28:58 AM
Buggy looks good, smike! And the lights in the trailer make me jealous... :think:
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 16, 2010, 05:23:01 AM
i ordered the trans yesterday at lunchtime, its sitting at a dock in rochester in Emerson st today for me to pick up.. summit is CRAZY
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on March 16, 2010, 12:18:07 PM
gotta love summit, they are probably the best.
I have been buying parts from them since 1990, I was rebuilding a 79 1/2ton chevy. Their customer service was awesome then and is even better now.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 16, 2010, 01:23:41 PM
im taken back. my package was on the rochester dock at 4:30am, after placing the order not 15hours before....
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on March 16, 2010, 02:28:30 PM
wow that is sick shipping! great to hear, get her in place and go play!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 17, 2010, 03:21:36 AM
rest of the goodies are in another box tomorrow. trans will go in thursday night / Friday night after some wheeling Thursday.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: CoraC143 on March 17, 2010, 06:34:34 AM
where are you wheeling on thursday?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 17, 2010, 04:28:01 PM
low key buggy testing. i mentioned details to erik last night i think.
i think im going to try and make ROK park this weekend if i get the new trans in Friday night.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 18, 2010, 07:01:42 PM
Buggy is awesome. needs a little tweaking, but good first run with no issues.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: dgray69 on March 19, 2010, 12:22:30 AM
buggy turned out great smike,, sorry to hear about all the work to find the tranny prob after, ouch that must of hurt to know you were that close, and had to pull motor again, any way awsome job
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 19, 2010, 04:04:04 AM
i knew i was taking a chance with a free trans, o well its only a couple hours work and some fluids. Parts are in the truck / trailer. it will be swapped tonight.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on March 21, 2010, 08:54:02 AM
:fun: great to see she runs, post a pic of that fancy plastic on the bottom, i\'d like to see what ya did...
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 21, 2010, 03:24:13 PM
new trans swaped, it really rips now. i seem to have a power steering pump issue, and a fuel delivery issue at sustained high rpm\'s under load. (4500 rpm banging gears flat out desert race style) might just be i forget to fill propane tanks.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 21, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
skid:
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: djberg on March 24, 2010, 06:16:01 AM
looks great man! nice work
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on March 24, 2010, 08:42:42 AM
Almost too nice to scratch up
Very impressive work on the chassis Mike.
So I don\'t need to carry my giant cresent wrench anymore??? ;)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: CoraC143 on March 24, 2010, 12:42:55 PM
I still have sketchy leaf spring hangers (for a little while). So we should still carry one LOL.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 05, 2010, 01:57:51 PM
havent had much updates on the buggy. its been to rausch twice and a few times local.
Made it up jotters and both sides of trail 5 hill climb. we also did crawl daddy at a pretty good pace.
got some motor noise, a dented rear driveshaft, a blown johnny joint, and now an over heating issue.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 12, 2010, 12:30:18 AM
the buggy got a new motor and a deep trans pan this weekend.
intake leaks have to get a new one / fix.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 12, 2010, 04:32:40 PM
again, Thanks A TON mike for the help and space to do insane amounts of work this weekend.
that was nuts what we acomplished in 2 days.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on April 12, 2010, 10:00:39 PM
I\'m still sad we didn\'t finish in 7 hours :)
thanks for the help on my garage prep. it was a good project to break in the space with - first major thing I\'ve done here at my new place.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on April 12, 2010, 11:27:11 PM
i even cleared a spot for you in the shop smike. oh well it meant more mini burgers for me!
hows she run?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 13, 2010, 08:21:23 AM
erik ill be calling you today to discuss shop usage tonight and tomorrow. i got a ton of work the lift would be nice. Hoping we can get a few guys over and blitz it like we did your buggy before Virgina last year!
gears, installs, drive flanges, and stage8 kits in hand. shafts should be at my door today, and new intake should be at my door tomorrow.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 16, 2010, 01:39:42 AM
new motor tuned, 5.38 gear swaps complete, fluids filled, strapped up and going to Rausch tomorrow.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 18, 2010, 08:19:00 PM
The park staff of rausch creek was nice enough to close a section of the new land for the park down for a few hours yesterday to let my self and another buggy do some high speed laps. it was awesome!
buggy is doing good.
have a few issues to work out for Virginia, and then the race!
new motor running ok, still running hot at sustained high speed with rpm over 5000
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on April 18, 2010, 09:14:30 PM
Good deal! Rausch rox!
How was new gearing?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on April 19, 2010, 09:44:55 AM
he hates the 5.38s Erik.
high range isn\'t low enough, and low range is too low.
It really needs about 6.5-7:1 gearing I think. 5.38 is as deep as the 14b goes though. on the other hand high range is now pretty useful - Mike just wants more juice on tap than there is to offer in high.
His handling really makes me jealous. after some seat time in that, I think my priorities have changed. I want comfy seats! :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 19, 2010, 10:03:06 PM
ya, i dont like the 5.38\'s at all. 4.10\'s were way better for power and speed range in low for racing.
on the other hand the 5.38\'s will be easier on the trans for crawling low range, and force me to not use as much fuel go fasting in high range.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 19, 2010, 10:10:04 PM
new starter motor (cracked it at rausch this weekend)
Power steering bracket re fabed and made more adjustable, blown belts replaced.
New fan set and shroud mocked up and fit for more airflow.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 29, 2010, 07:04:12 AM
roof and hood progress.
closer to RCQ.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on May 01, 2010, 01:42:40 AM
race crunch time is here.
Window nets in progress.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on May 03, 2010, 01:26:32 AM
race day nearing....
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on June 03, 2010, 12:20:42 PM
preping for next race begins.....
first on the list: fix windownets and get the tool storage a little better.
lets go race!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 18, 2010, 09:13:09 PM
where do i begin- huge amounts of work on the buggy lately, preping for the next race...
got some rock rings and need some tire repairs this week
added a sound system, and rebuilt the front end tierod. tons of work on the list the next 2 weeks....
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on July 18, 2010, 09:16:37 PM
o ya, spent two hours yesterday CLEANING the buggy after some prerunning in full race gear last weekend at rausch
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on July 19, 2010, 11:06:31 PM
the new rockrings are gonna look sweet!
Sponsors dig clean rigs!!! :-D
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 02, 2010, 07:27:06 AM
any body have a good source for king pin rebuild kits? i need the upper plastic cone thing and a new spring. they vacated when i hit a tree :(
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on August 02, 2010, 09:47:24 AM
Call doug @ extreme axle sales!
His site is under our web links!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Ryan_25 on August 02, 2010, 10:15:29 AM
Mike had to buy some drive flanges from him on Saturday at Rausch. Good thing he was there with his trailer.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: CoraC143 on August 02, 2010, 11:58:18 AM
what happened?
didn\'t see a trip report
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on August 02, 2010, 01:46:50 PM
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Wingman on August 02, 2010, 02:40:17 PM
Quote
what happened?
The short answer is that we wheeled and mikemike broke, then we wheeled some more and mikemike broke, then we wheeled some more and mikemike broke.
In summary, it was definitely mikemike\'s day...
Thanks for taking the black cloud for the rest of us mikemike!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Ryan_25 on August 02, 2010, 02:41:56 PM
And Wingman got up Jotters. With realtive ease.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 02, 2010, 02:44:10 PM
and atom sticks on the comp course.
now get out of my build thread.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: ollllllo on August 02, 2010, 11:08:22 PM
:hijack:
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 10, 2010, 09:53:54 PM
i suppose its about time to give the story of the little miss hap that happened a few weeks ago. Mike and I were geared up with helmets and braces doing some hot laps around a moto cross track we got invited to. the goal was to get comfortable driving with neck braces as the next race required them while RCQ did not. i had lost an alternator belt earlier in the day doing some rec wheeling which we had repaired. im guessing the alternator had seized up from some heavy water soaking the day before, but didnt much matter...
we came out of a turn on the last long straight hard into it and i felt the lost of steering, the buggy had thrown the power steering belt. the hydraulics locked up, and we slide all fours locked up into a tree that didnt move non the less.
the damage:
two patachable holes in driver front tire rim badly bent and torn highsteer arm ripped off knuckle kingpin bushings crushed / separated Knuckle / parts lost lower driverside link candy caned upper driver link bent, johnny joint threads sheared upper passenger johnny joint bent passenger front air shock shaft bent both front upper shock mount tabs tweaked oil fiter crushed exhaust crushed transmission cracked in half in two places lower link chassis mounts bent and crushed tube both motor mounts tweaked, cracked tube
Mike and i figure we hit the tree going about 25-30mph which didnt really seem all that hard, until we got out and saw the damage. After we hit, and the smoke poured we both unbelted, jumped out, saw the trans and oil pan engulfed in fire, pulled the extinquishers and gave it a couple shots to put it out.
as of tonight, one link re-fabricated out of 2x2x.25\" square tube, spare joints replaced to get it rolling. motor and trans pulled, front subframe cut off, new tube twice as thick cut and fit, new gusseted and trused mounts in the works. the plan is to cut out and replace everything that failed with something bigger, better, and stronger. new shock shaft on order, along with some air bumps, and working on getting trans guts swapped to a new case if possible.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 10, 2010, 10:03:15 PM
motor / trans pull, all work being done in the enclosed trailer....
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 19, 2010, 07:48:45 AM
its been a long week. Lower subframe refabricated. buggy back on links. 100$ trans hopefully to end up as good spare when i get my good trans back rebuilt installed. Motor mounts refabricated, HVHP oil pump in motor put in, motor installed. crushed exhaust fixed. Motor wired and plumbed less radiator last night.
all thats left is cooling system, front drive shaft, trans linkage, hook the battery up, fill fluids, rebuild passenger kingpin, and hang tins.
Also have to take the alternator in / replace it. wasnt charging correctly before.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 20, 2010, 11:19:12 AM
buggy is back. Heading to rausch tonight.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 22, 2010, 05:46:46 PM
good rausch trip, no issues, new trans kicks hard.
need to tweak front shocks they are making lots of oil noises, not sure why.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on August 23, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
39.5\" Baja KRT\'s on the way.... will be 571\'s new race tire :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on September 14, 2010, 11:14:42 AM
new griffen on the way for a rear radiator along with a few other goodies. Have air bumps to put in this week along with all new steering heims. Also planing on going serpintine belt system. Have to fab another front link, and mount up the new race tires :)
Less than two weeks for race day.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: gCracker on September 14, 2010, 11:27:28 AM
ahhh.. haa!!! I\'m not the only one left that likes white lettering out!!!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Wingman on September 14, 2010, 12:10:32 PM
I\'m with you guys. White letters out!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on September 14, 2010, 02:08:29 PM
I\'m all for it on race tires :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: carchameleon on September 14, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
white letters out for all of my junk
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: etk300ex on September 15, 2010, 08:18:08 AM
you guys are so out of touch with style :lol1:
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on September 28, 2010, 03:29:22 PM
hit a tree on lap 2. we were doing awesome!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on October 14, 2010, 08:18:26 AM
Race prep for this weekend continues!
tree bars added Front axle side ram mount bored and sleved to eliminate slop Both Knuckles bored out, tapped to 5/8\"s bolts for high steer arms Front ram gaurd replaced with a bigger one
Buggy is having starting issues that i think are related to a dieing starter, undersized power cables, and an under sized master disconnect.
Tonights list:
Fill tanks Fit tins to tree bars and mount swap new optima in swap new master disconnect in replace / add 2g wire wash load trailer / pack race gear.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: JCJ on October 14, 2010, 10:20:06 AM
I\'m not sure if your rules allow but when wiring roadrace cars I use a starter solenoid relay very much like the one found in a CJ but rated for \"continuous on\" A simple toggle switch is used as the accessible switch for race officials, the nice part is you can have multiple switches to kill power. Those crappy plastic switches with the red key are a DNF waiting to happen, on cars where that switch was spec we replaced them several times a season as preventative maintenance.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on October 14, 2010, 10:28:52 AM
ya, i have burned out two cheap ones this week, i got a 500amp one to put in tonight that should be good.
everything but the front winch goes through it. im probably pushing 30-40 amps alone in electric fans at this point between the three of them.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on October 14, 2010, 02:33:00 PM
I hadn\'t thought of the fans - that\'s a lot of extra draw that wasn\'t there before.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on October 14, 2010, 03:23:53 PM
well the fans arent on when the starter is cranking, and this new alternator is 105amps instead of 63 now too.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: jasonw on November 02, 2010, 09:32:32 PM
smike
nice build thread.
any idea how long your lower links are F&R
im mocking up my WB and looks like 115-118\"
lower links look to be 46\"
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Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on November 03, 2010, 09:07:32 AM
Ill have to check them but my rears are like 38\" and the fronts are like 45\" i think
i would keep them in the 36-40\" lenght if you can.
my front lowers are just too long and 2\" 250wall box was bent after one rec wheeling trip...
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: jasonw on November 03, 2010, 11:52:01 AM
wow, you bent the square tube?!
And square tube is stronger than round tube. Nuts!
Thanks for the numbers. Shorter links would be better for me too. It would allow for a larger skid plate/link mount.
Ill re-work the numbers.
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Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on February 25, 2011, 08:27:16 AM
started race prep...
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Camo1Ton on March 01, 2011, 05:55:31 PM
Congrats on your new position as president. :chug: Whats going on with the hoops? New suspension?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on March 02, 2011, 10:18:59 AM
ripped tube shock hoop replacement and twisted chassis straightening.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 02, 2011, 10:03:55 PM
Ya she was pretty bent up. New hoops welded in
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 04, 2011, 08:20:24 AM
started working on a rear sway bar and stripping down the rear of the chassis last night.
she will be a new machine for March 24th.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 09, 2011, 09:06:57 PM
got a summit order in today, and a couple more bits in the mail. been sick and bed ridden this week, so i got the shopping done!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 09, 2011, 09:09:34 PM
budget rear sway bar progress :)
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 13, 2011, 09:34:56 PM
fuel cell in. Rear sway bar in
tbi swap in progress. Everything but fuel lines, a place for the knock sensor, and some unknowns for the coil is hooked up and ready for fire.
back on 4 shocks
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 13, 2011, 09:38:06 PM
rear bar welded in. Made it adjustable on the frame and the arms to tune it.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: jeepfd16 on March 14, 2011, 05:09:49 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: Camo1Ton on March 19, 2011, 02:15:46 PM
Kind of a dumb unrelated question. How wide is the inside of your trailer? I\'m looking at some options now for a hauler.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 25, 2011, 11:56:12 AM
i think my trailer is 81\" wide between the wheel wells. sorry i thought i posted this looks like my post didnt go through.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on March 25, 2011, 12:07:02 PM
Almost got the motor running right! been a pain!
worked on the rear sway bar and got that in.
now time for the real race prep. didnt make it for the rausch trip this weekend. going to save the coin and use the free time to put work into the buggy.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 01, 2011, 07:29:04 AM
Runs pretty good and buttoned up electrical wise. got most of the tins back on and just need to do some zip tie work and add fuel before some testing.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 11, 2011, 09:31:50 AM
yukon gear 4340 Dana60 shaft needs outer not in 2 pieces
new tire carrier worked well
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: xjh3 on April 11, 2011, 08:51:06 PM
another revision to the tire strappage?
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 12, 2011, 07:41:47 AM
mike did that, but now that i have my extra 2\" straps back i know how i will do it!
good to go!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on April 12, 2011, 10:25:17 AM
I like the way I did it Saturday better.
With those other ratchets, it can be done the way it was before without worries about tire damage...
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 15, 2011, 01:02:13 PM
lets go racing!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on April 19, 2011, 01:36:03 PM
we didnt make it very far with a broken knuckle. disappointing. Working on partial sponsorship with Sold Axle Industries for a pair of solid arms / knuckles.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on May 09, 2011, 08:24:14 PM
look at this hog working it on bunny hole in Virgina at BIGDOGS!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on May 11, 2011, 10:10:19 AM
swaybar worked like a champ. I lost $20 on that bet.
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: etk300ex on May 12, 2011, 07:18:11 AM
haha, if it was ever going to break, that would of been it!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: MrMindless on May 13, 2011, 01:14:59 PM
sure would have. hopefully it\'ll be years of awesomeness now
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on October 29, 2011, 08:12:58 AM
current pic!
Title: Re: twizted buggy build
Post by: smichaelR22 on December 14, 2011, 04:13:47 PM
this thing is in pieces, with many things being cut out and replaced...
